Userfriendly approach for tagged FilterBubble

Tue, 30 May 2017 07:46:38 +0200 last edited: Tue, 30 May 2017 07:47:37 +0200

I consider wich approach can expedient for implemantation of tagged webpages are? S. here for example the #LVEE2017 conference. How can I efficient userfriendly by prearrangement and realisation of event LVEE all content inclusive webpages tagged able to make? So that for example one LVEE attendee or interested party with Hubzilla search query https://lvee2017.hubzilla.org/search?search=%23visa ad-hoc get as search result all LVEE2017 content, wich is tagged with #visa tag. Also webpages. Or with search query https://lvee2017.hubzilla.org/search?search=%23speichercloud get all lvee2017 content, wich is tagged with #speichercloud.

Actual state is, that Hubzilla search ignore the webpage content. What are the reasons for this?

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Andrew

Tue, 30 May 2017 12:12:23 +0200

Good question. My ill-informed guess is that the search tool was created before the webpages system was mature and that it has received very little attention. Probably my most significant contribution to Hubzilla has been the wiki module, and it did not cross my mind to add the wiki content to the search scope. As with most things, usage drives most development, and from what I can tell not many people use the webpage or wiki system in any serious way (e.g. on a hub used by an organization for active collaboration with many people). Perhaps you may be able to help extend the search tool scope and functionality.

neue medienordnung plus

Tue, 30 May 2017 14:57:14 +0200 last edited: Wed, 31 May 2017 05:42:12 +0200

Hm, I guess, that only one ACL-sensitive Hubzilla channel search (HCS) for all areas (forum, wiki, webpages, events and other objects) is one userfriendly search. In ideal case indexed the HCS also the files in the Hubzilla-cloud. YaCy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YaCy is one peer-to-peer search engine under GPL license, the that all - index forum, wiki, webpages, events and other objects - performed. But YaCy has one deficiency - YaCy is Java -based solution :-|.

Other search engine is regain http://regain.sourceforge.net/ . regain is also Java -based solution.

Mike Macgirvin

Tue, 30 May 2017 22:42:54 +0200 last edited: Tue, 30 May 2017 22:47:26 +0200

I think the only thing you need to do is alter the search query; as this uses item_normal() which restricts the search to conversational items. How one proceeds depends on whether or not you want only webpages or search results with mixed webpages/conversations/wiki-pages/whatever. Wikis will be much harder. For webpages I think you only need to include them in the search. For wikis, you'll need some additional logic in mod_display to send the page to the wiki module.

Permissions could get a bit messy because you can't provide search results for a webpage without checking that the observer can view webpages produced by that channel; and you also need to deal with mixed permissions where they can see webpages but not conversations. In that respect a separate search module for webpages would be cleaner from a systems/security perspective; but not as convenient as a one-stop search where all the permission checking is integrated.

Mike Macgirvin

Wed, 31 May 2017 04:01:49 +0200

pull request submitted - just webpages though. Due to the way wikis work it's probably best for those to be searchable from the wiki module. But that's up to the person doing the work and

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neue medienordnung plus

Wed, 31 May 2017 07:37:44 +0200

@Mike Macgirvin

For webpages I think you only need to include them in the search.

In what Hubzilla modul is the search feature implement? What mean you with " include them in the search"?

Andrew

Wed, 31 May 2017 18:21:51 +0200

You will need to take some time to study the Hubzilla code structure. Modules that are accessible at https://hub.freecommunication.org/modname are defined in Zotlabs/Modules/Modname.php.

neue medienordnung plus

Wed, 31 May 2017 18:45:36 +0200

Meanwhile think I, that is it convenient as a kind of search index for webpages easy for important webpages create tagged posts. For this posts can I use the conventional Hubzilla search.

Mike Macgirvin

Wed, 31 May 2017 22:35:32 +0200

In what Hubzilla modul is the search feature implement?

Zotlabs/Module/Search.php

What mean you with " include them in the search"?

item_normal() (from include/items.php) is basically a macro for generating a complex sql statement which checks for items with a bunch of characteristics (they aren't hidden, they aren't posted in the future, they aren't webpages, etc.). Most conversational tools use item_normal() to filter out other things that aren't meant to be displayed in conversations. So I just created item_normal_search() which is basically the same macro, but also includes webpages.